Does not. If Im not mistaken, K. Deyoung is also a competitive masters runner. Platt did not make it up nor is it original with him. You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for govern, And the churches want to remain tax exempt, but they certainly do want to benefit from the taxes others pay in: I get your point but you will also notice in Acts 2 that believers had all things in common, met daily in the temple and broke bread together in homes. Preparation time can't look the same for that, but only having to preach one text a week gives me the liberty and the opportunity to spend between 20 and 25 hourssometimes less, sometimes morein the text during the week. WebSpeech impediment, or speech disorder, happens when your child cant speak or cant speak so people understand what theyre saying. Platt writes, In a world full of rights, Jesus says, If youre going to follow me, you must die every single day to the rights you claim in order to do anything and It is our reasonable service in light of Who God is. I am preparing myself to disciple others. (Not that I think that is important but since the writer harps on that I just thought Id mention it.) Have you considered that its because most megachurch pastors care very little about Scripture, as thats just not the point? David may be a great speaker, but hes not a good people person in my opinion. the property tax exclusion that no other non-profit enjoys. Instead of sending your money to the church, send it to charities that you personally know and feel connected to. This is not to say that valuable info cant be gained from the study of created things. In the United States, theres a reason for that, and it has to do with income taxes. This concern was raised when Platt took the position at the mission board. I dont understand the appeal in attending something like that. Blogs. Would be beneficial if more people pastored in like fashion. Im not looking for the perfect church . (1) McLean Bible Church, https://www.mcleanbible.org. I believe this is the main reason why people desire to be where everyone knows their name, as in the tagline from the old show Cheers. No longer is this business an artisan bakery, but a big time corporation. They must have gone in in laparoscopically. Look to Him & His word and learn Honorable Little Christ'(tm) , share what youve learned with others, The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever. Mr Platt aint got nuttin on Mr Crazy Buzy DeYoung. Many of the long standing members were so messed up that when they tried to attend other churches, (when SGM stuff hit the fan) pastors of non-Calvinist churches began telling them that they were so messed up that these pastors could not possibly help them or their families. What about the way New Testament leaders and teachers apparently worked to provide their own physical sustenance, so they would not be burdensome on the believers, oh, say, tent-making, for example? Please preface it with, As the New Testament CLEARLY shows in XYZ. I love this story! It was taped and shown later. Im a newbie here, so Im reluctant to put up a lot of text, but I do think this is applicable to the discussion. I'm very upfront with my role to my church. One can improve the business by power of advertising and might of distribution. Something feels very wrong about this transition and I am less than overwhelmed by Platt. But what is he doing? ___ I may be reading too much into your comments. The Church is there to train us, teach us. Hes doing well. I usually dread listening to missionaries speak, anticipating the guilt trip that they sometime put on other people for not being as extreme and missional and sacrificial as them. The same is true of the underground church today, especially in China. This is a predicate. Law Prof wrote: MBC deserves a full time pastor. And the Global Replace String man With String person' approach gets pretty silly. In growth and maturity, we need to feed others, and to be served, ourselves both. I butted heads with him over working moms and finally over Radical, and after 4 years of having those concerns ignored, my family joined the hundreds of people who left Brook Hills during his time in the pulpit. Blogs. Their national director promoted Thom Rainers miserable article on why pastors should not visit often which explains why the pastoral state of their churches was extremely poor when I attended. As much as I fault 9Marks, one of the things that Mark Dever got right was a panel discussion at SBTS many years ago about multi-site churches. @ Gram3: Platt fell on the sword by taking the heat during the IMB missionary recall debacle, so this is his parachute. It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. However, I do think it represents something about care and compassion of the sheep and knowing them by name. Rather than whole-wheat flour with all its bran and uneven texture, enriched bleached white flour makes a uniform product and its cheaper and plentiful from corporate granaries that have their own juggernaut marketing and distribution channels. I briefly attended McLean Bible Church, pastored by Lon Solomon, back in the mid-1980s. I guess being on the fence is another word for being in the wilderness. Im fine with paying staff, pastors, etc, but dont insist theres a New Testament mandate for the paid career program we see. The pastor has stated he spends 15 20 hours a week preparing his sermonbut in reading the comments above about how pastors will say that but just copy & paste other people I just found a sermon by MacArthur on Psalm 19 and it sounded exactly like the sermon my pastor preached a few weeks ago on Psalm 19. Yes marketing is creating more customers, and increased investment in distribution helps to deliver the product and access to more markets; but a shifting of resource allocation and cost-cutting measures are needed. Something is amiss. Who wants a job where you give everything, then the mob can take a vote as to whether you keep your job or not! He did not create the mess but he had to be the face of it. Smyth started preaching at CLC on January 8, 2017. As far as the east is from the west, false Christianity makes the big bucks these days in the land of the affluent for many have bought into the belief that Jesus came to make us healthy, wealthy, and prosperous. All the best! Find a pastor who will do your funeral and not punt it to the third tier pastoral staff. Look for a church in which the pastor knows your name and will sit by your bedside when you are in the hospital. It can be a thing that is delegated, or passed out to certain members, or committees or staff. I believe Jesus summed this up best when he followed up the first greatest commandment with the second, to love your neighbor as yourself. I have been hearing from a few folks. But I experienced him as my (now former) pastor and while he may be a great speaker, he is not a good pastor. Both should be evident, though. the title teaching pastor means they do not have to interact with the peasant pew sitters. ), theres a church here in Stirling I know of that, as far as I know, has left the Kirk and gone independent; there are undoubtedly others locally I dont know about. I find it interesting that Paul never did this, at least in his letters. Dr. Platt would serve as Teaching Pastor, not Senior Pastor, he would not be involved in overall day-to-day leadership in the church, and he would not receive a salary for his role at MBC. They also repeat the same series of sermons at the same time each year, and the series are the same ones that youll hear at other Arc churches. Without a revelation of Who God is, the people will run wild, unrestrained. And to boot in the New Testament era when such single leader roles are absolutely no part of the New Testament? Best to believe and follow Jesus, rather than in any man. have you guys even listened to his sermons?? Find a church in which the pastor knows you name and truly cares about you-not an abstract you who is just a part of a mass of faces. but Pastor is certainly not it. Or he saw the amount of resources that McLean Bible Church has and was to sway their donations. Im sick of that garbage, especially as used by people like Platt, because that great calling they love to reference is code for My calling is bigger than yours, and if you plebes dont submit, youre against the Lord. Have you seen what their next conference is going to be? I believe this is the way missions should be viewed and accomplished. I wonder how much time he actually spends with his wife and children . http://www.metrolyrics.com/wake-me-up-inside-lyrics-evanescence.html. Paul talks about the fellowship of His sufferings. @ Hope: Sometimes because of past hurts in churches, when I go to a church service, I just want to be an anonymous person who sits in the back. We gather together to worship the LORD and edify, exhort, and encourage on another (dont forget admonish and instruct). Well, theyre not laughing now, are they? PHD student. Open Discussion Page. But have you ever noticed the way he kind of empasizes the c sound. Additionally, DeYoung is a member of The Gospel Coalition Council and writes frequent articles for their blog, is the Senior pastor of Christ Covenant Church in Matthews, North Carolina, is an active member of the celebrity Christian conference circuit, teaches at Reformed Seminary, and is working on his Ph.D. As for spending 20-25 hours to prepare a sermon, that may be the case with a real pastor, but in my research I have found it is rarely the case with the busy celebrity preachers. @ refugee: © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. Bridget, Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. The big boys all use research services to do the heavy lifting. We need a place to exercise our gifts, and to receive those of others connected to the body and functioning. Then we can see that getting out of line with Bible changes the very character of the church. Im familiar with the loophole, it is another one of those things that violates my classical liberal sensibilities as does the property tax exclusion that no other non-profit enjoys. They say the importance of the sermon is a reason they cant have any interaction with the congregation. Based on social media, not everyone is excited about it. Are you prepared to refute the lies of Cultural Marxism spewed by many of todays leading evangelical pastors and authors? My life is so much better now that I have the bread/dough (double entendre). But there were no other pastors. Kin Platt was the mad genius of young adult books and probably the most controversial writer for this audience in the 1970's. I do think that it is a poor idea to have a teaching pastor who doesnt know her or his flock, as I agree with Bridget that pastors should be driven by the Spirit to attend to the needs of the congregation. But it has come at the cost of ministry (unto the LORD, tent of meeting). Its soft texture conforms to you when you grasp it! I do think ministry of the Word takes precedence over pastoral care. And while Im at it, Ive been on enough church building projects to know that buildings and public meetings arent necessarily blessings. Their doctrines are like leaven and Jesus warned us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees. I am sorry the elders feel that David Platt is the next best step for the Mclean body. I asked if anyone had any word on new and promising upcoming middle of the road candidates for the next election because I did not have time right now to research them myself. I was thrilled to learn when he left Brook Hills and I personally dont think he should be pastoring anywhere, frankly. Anything bursting in there makes surgery, clean up, and recovery much more extensive. But since we were talking about why hire a teaching pastor who is already employed full-time elsewhere for only the purpose of giving sermons, and okrapod asked why cant pastors and staff be diversified. Of course, we are to do stuff, but the text never says we are to do witnessing as if it is apart from who we are. And I have also been enriched by being able to participate in some of the missions work at McLean. It is ended, neither by might of appeal (marketing) nor power of delivery systems, but by My Spirit, says the LORD. Take this opportunity to tell these supposed *pastors* what you think a pastor should be. Is he doing word studies on every single Greek word? Theyre not, but thats not really the point here. David Tennant is dying to work with Aaron Sorkin. So far they havent bothered us too much about the whole covenant signing thing, but Im concerned Whats going to happen when the new church covenant to replace the old (two churches are merging) comes in, and the push comes to get everyone to sign the new one? The Youth and Family Pastor becomes Youth and Family Director when held by a female. Even if he mostly avoids distractions from pesky parishioners and students, and mostly recycles and repackages his content, theres still unavoidable meeting time with the church staff who tend the flock, grad assistants who grade the papers, TGC comrades, researchers, editors, publishers etc. rather, an unpaid volunteer gifted in compassion & empathy. I wish I was left to be a layperson. ___ Ive seen it work well. Then they purchased the Wildlife Federation building and mega-sized the already mega church. Trustees also will evaluate McLeans level of partnership with the Southern Baptist Convention. Cheaper.only pay one pastor and get double the offerings? But I also think it has two drawbacks: 1) Not giving it the credence it deserves at one extreme. Anyway, he was a clear advocate for personal pastors and not video presenters at multi-sites. As I recall, that didnt come out too well for them, or for their father. The legal profession just balks. Those things cannot be torn apart and pitted against each other; they are part and parcel of the whole. Second thought is the IMB Presidency is a full-time job which God also called him to and God is not as flakey as David Platt appears to be. http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/A%20Defense%20of%20Calvinism%20by%20Spurgeon.pdf Im afraid for our church. Some of the classes taught by laymembers at MBC are outstanding. 3. a member of the clergy. Thanks! This lie is important. It shows that David Platt ignored the McLean Bible Church Constitution and then deliberately lied to the church about it. His actions disqualified himself as a pastor. On more than one occasion he preached a sermon almost word for word from one of Tom Wrights books. their church planting efforts out of McLean. You will realize why you cannot live up to his standards.He is *better* than you although he will tell you he is the worst sinner that he knows. And just in case you think that we are all sitting around on our duffs waiting for the pastor to do something, I want to reassure you that we are doing lots of things. People want to belong. We believers are all priests, Jesus is our high priest, and we were not supposed to embrace this pagan shamanism nonsense to begin with. Just dont ask questions and pay your dues. For me, its a point of emphasis. I find it interesting that Paul never did this, at least in his letters. First things first, since were lost in all the re-definitions while keeping old labels. This is interesting. You really ned to check out Twitter to get a better idea of what these guys are doing and see some of the connections. the realities of who bears the burden of the costs isnt part of this training. His sermon on Acts opened our eyes when he introduced some social justice themes in his sermon that had literally nothing to do with the text. Scripture also uses terms like laborers together with God. These friendships take years to cultivate. Things are broken all over. Pastoral care fits, here. Im a firm believer in Capital Punishment. He became pastor-teacher at McLean Bible Church in 2017. They promote their conferences, they sell books by Piper, Mahaney, DeYoung and the rest. Just where can you find all these multitalented people who are biblical scholars who can do all their own research, have a commanding ability at teaching, are people persons who are adept at counseling and hand holding and socializing (three different things there) and who will work 80 hours a week for minimum pay and who refuse to delegate but do it all themselves? Its like a code for the party apparatus. Nor do they ever get any deeper. Almost all words have their origins in the verb forms. We made funerals and weddings church events when they never were in Bible times. Were paying, sometimes til it drives us into financial ruin, to be abused. I literally LOLed. I dont know Platt. Most pastor positions are salaried. David Platt unfortunately comes across as manipulating and disingenuous. https://fiec.org.uk/events/event/leaders-conference-2017. There is an interesting discussion on this subject between Mark Driscoll, James McDonald and Mark Dever here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ukvHuwFzBA. Our friends are grounded, thoughtful and medically qualified; and not remotely given to sensationalism or exaggeration. He feeds the one that gnaws him most.. Im asking God to give you Elders who are friends, and that things go well in your church. How to Resign from a Church Its possible this man simply feigned interest in my mother hoping she would tell him that she would leave some $$$ to the church. Surgeon was able to do a one-step resection without a colostomy. theres no way it could really take 20-25 hrs per week!!! In my opinion, the real trick is how much of that stuff do you (generic you) wanna extrapolate out the Bibles way back when and try an make it apply in the here and now? For the life of me Ive never understood, either, why we think we need someone to hold our hands when someone dies besides the Body of Christ. My pastor learning my name and making a point to speak it in kindness is part of the thoughtful, welcoming aspect that I enjoy in my church. WebHaving a speech impairment can be a very frustrating and embarrassing experience for the person experiencing it. Even if he does prep his own sermons . Its totally untenable but yet I have seen so many in high positions double dip or even have businesses on the side that enrich them even more. There is something missing here. Or insipid video series made by the pastors wife/youth group/whatever? WebAt the minute 4:40, David Platt said that we [Christians at T4G] in a sinful world have blind spots that we cannot see on our own and I fear that I, that we, dont really want to see them. Then he used the text of Amos, and the idea of the sinful Jews described in that book of the Bible, as a parallel to the audience. It evolved; a culture developed around it; rules and regulations; holidays and celebrations; the yearly church calendar; working people could show up, pay up, and leave; eventually the CEO posted a job roster for the volunteers; duties and titles; gender roles; power and access became linked to donated money; book$ and conference$ and web$ite$ and broadcast$; celebrity and status; trips and missions and safaris; etc. Prediction: he will come on board full time within a year. David Platt ended that dream. You have a good point. AMEN! Have you seen what their next conference is going to be? So many turn to sermon services and hide in their offices reading books or doing anything else but writing their sermon. I use Word, revelation, and proclamation almost inter-changeably. Many today are flocking to leadership seminars in order to learn how to fish from successful fishermen sociological pragmatism, pop psychology, new models of ministry, and ad nausea. one head person to be the primary teacher and CEO of a fellowship, big or small, to whom all, if push comes to shove, must ultimately submit. MBC needs to pray for discernment and examine Davids teachings. I think there is more going on. I dont know of any other job where an employee is granted 2 months of vacation after working for 6 months. And one more thing. Now every believer does have access, but in the church gathered there is order of service (not chaos) and some invested authority (dont want to debate who and how much, just that it exists). Paul, on the other hand, addresses pastoring in practicing detail, in some of the epistles. If I had never joined a church till I had found one that was perfect, I should never have joined one at all; and the moment I did join it, if I had found one, I should have spoiled it, for it would not have been a perfect church after I had become a member of it. Im big on capitol punishment, as in punishing the politicians who work at the capitol. (1) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mvDQWOQ2iI, Every Challenge To Calvinism, Is A Heavenly Opportunity, All of heaven shall hear my cry, when Jesus returns, will there be faith upon the earth?, Spy These pastors (without quotation marks) dont double-dip or moonlight as motivational speakers and writers, or publicise themselves, or invest their time in furthering their careers by making their (quotes) churches (more quotes) into conference centres at which they can speak. In kinda scratching my head here. Nor are they necessary for a body of believers to function. Does Public Broadcasting Need Your Tote Bag Deep into the churchs 1 He allegedly just got another huge land gift and may be getting ready to build a mansion on the river. All of which probably sounds more dismissive than I mean it to. I remember reading a novel years ago in which one character was into transcendental meditation; and another character (probably speaking for the author) described him thus: You get the comforts of religion without the responsibility.
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